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Post by sloggi on Dec 23, 2009 11:13:24 GMT
Hmm never thought about limited back cast space, but I still think that a speycast utilising the snap T could get one out of most situations. My [still] concerns is presentation on wee rivers Sloggi.  If you use a long tapered leader, I think the presentation issues are negated. Even with a snap-t, you'll need a larger d-loop than with a shooting head. |
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Post by mdh on Dec 23, 2009 11:18:38 GMT
I primarily fish the council water on the Don. I have two rods on a 15ft double handed jobbie and the other a 10 1/2 foot singlehanded. With very high banks and high reeds then wading is the way forward. With the singlehander its a nightmare in the summer trying to get a cast. With the double hander its very easy, it's even easier with a shooting head. However the 15ft rod is a wee bit OTT for the size of the river. So I'm going to get a shooting head for the singlehanded rod and that way it will be fit to turn over big flies something that a weight forward seven isn't.
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Post by Tyne Angler on Dec 23, 2009 11:54:09 GMT
Hmm never thought about limited back cast space, but I still think that a speycast utilising the snap T could get one out of most situations. My [still] concerns is presentation on wee rivers Sloggi. If you use a long tapered leader, I think the presentation issues are negated. Even with a snap-t, you'll need a larger d-loop than with a shooting head. You would only have a bigger d-loop if your utilising the full head length on a spey line. Unless you looking for optimum distance there is no need to have the full head outside the rod tip with a spey line. |
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Post by hagar on Dec 23, 2009 12:16:58 GMT
Unless you looking for optimum distance there is no need to have the full head outside the rod tip with a spey line. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm! Not sure about that , as you may well need the whole length of head outside the rod tip merely to load the rod properly. I like shorter shooting heads for small rivers , K , as you may only have to have 36 odd feet of line + leader outside the rod tip ring to load the rod properly. Managing running line on overgrown banks if unable to wade is another problem however. |
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Post by Tyne Angler on Dec 23, 2009 12:36:32 GMT
Unless you looking for optimum distance there is no need to have the full head outside the rod tip with a spey line. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm! Not sure about that , as you may well need the whole length of head outside the rod tip merely to load the rod properly. I like shorter shooting heads for small rivers , K , as you may only have to have 36 odd feet of line + leader outside the rod tip ring to load the rod properly. Managing running line on overgrown banks if unable to wade is another problem however. Hagar Does a rod not load progressively as you increase the amount of head outside of the rod tip until you reach the optimum which should be around about the point where the full head is being utilised (providing the rod and line match)? |
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Post by hagar on Dec 23, 2009 12:42:54 GMT
Does a rod not load progressively as you increase the amount of head outside of the rod tip until you reach the optimum which should be around about the point where the full head is being utilised (providing the rod and line match)? Yep , it sure does. And your point is ? |
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Post by Tyne Angler on Dec 23, 2009 12:46:45 GMT
Why do you need rod which is loaded to the optimum if your only making short casts on a small river?
Surely as long as you have sufficent load with in the rod to cover the short distances required there is no need to utilise the full head on a spey line?
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Post by Tyne Angler on Dec 23, 2009 13:04:49 GMT
Getting back on topic!
I use spey lines and shooting heads depending on conditions etc
Would hate to spend a day swinging a fly traditionally on a big river with a shooting head and like wise there is nothing worse than fishing a stripped collie on a long headed spey line.
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Post by hagar on Dec 23, 2009 14:10:42 GMT
Cheeky sod ! ;D Firstly , I doubt even you would argue that using a rod at it's optimum loading is the most efficient / pleasurable experience. As I see it , and I've no doubt that there'll be other opinions/ options , there are at least 3 ways of loading a rod to it's optimum. 1. Use a longer length of lighter line than the rod's rating 2. Use a shorter length of heavier line than the rod's rating. 3. Use the " correct " weight of line for the rod's rating. This could consist of a head length of anywhere between 30'-100' ie shooting head to long belly spey line.Which rather neatly brings us back to the point Kenny was trying to make about presentation on small rivers , and to which you addressed the reply that I responded to. Shorter casts on smaller rivers are more easily accomplished with a shorter headed line of the " correct " line weight for the rod in question. On topic enough for you , TA ?  |
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Post by Tyne Angler on Dec 23, 2009 14:25:25 GMT
Cheeky sod ! ;D Firstly , I doubt even you would argue that using a rod at it's optimum loading is the most efficient / pleasurable experience. As I see it , and I've no doubt that there'll be other opinions/ options , there are at least 3 ways of loading a rod to it's optimum. 1. Use a longer length of lighter line than the rod's rating 2. Use a shorter length of heavier line than the rod's rating. 3. Use the " correct " weight of line for the rod's rating. This could consist of a head length of anywhere between 30'-100' ie shooting head to long belly spey line.Which rather neatly brings us back to the point Kenny was trying to make about presentation on small rivers , and to which you addressed the reply that I responded to. Shorter casts on smaller rivers are more easily accomplished with a shorter headed line of the " correct " line weight for the rod in question. On topic enough for you , TA ? ;D How would you have fished a small river back in the days of DT lines? For a short cast you have a short length of line outside the rod tip and you increase this length as you want to increase the distance. Perhaps I need to move with the times and dump the spey lines for a full set of shooting heads! |
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Post by hagar on Dec 23, 2009 14:34:23 GMT
How would you have fished a small river back in the days of DT lines? often , with no2 above. I may seem like a callow youth , but when I started out in this fluff chucking game the only options were DTs or level  lines. ;D |
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Post by Tight Loops on Dec 23, 2009 18:16:52 GMT
Wae aye, I divvnt no like are you a taxidomiterist? ;D Its ma first post an all so if Im a cannae bit cheeky put it doon ta me being a Toon army squadee ;D ;D. I wus oonlee sayin' the other day tha heads geeze the best tight loops an ya cannae beat ha tight loop geddin ;D ;D |
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Post by sloggi on Dec 23, 2009 19:54:55 GMT
Wae aye, I divvnt no like are you a taxidomiterist? ;D Its ma first post an all so if Im a cannae bit cheeky put it doon ta me being a Toon army squadee ;D ;D. I wus oonlee sayin' the other day tha heads geeze the best tight loops an ya cannae beat ha tight loop geddin ;D ;D Thanks - change made |
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Post by underghillie on Dec 23, 2009 20:10:01 GMT
Wae aye, I divvnt no like are you a taxidomiterist? ;D Its ma first post an all so if Im a cannae bit cheeky put it doon ta me being a Toon army squadee ;D ;D. I wus oonlee sayin' the other day tha heads geeze the best tight loops an ya cannae beat ha tight loop geddin ;D ;D I thought you geordies said divvnt na  ;D ;D |
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Post by Williegunn on Dec 23, 2009 21:24:17 GMT
Cheeky sod ! ;D Firstly , I doubt even you would argue that using a rod at it's optimum loading is the most efficient / pleasurable experience. As I see it , and I've no doubt that there'll be other opinions/ options , there are at least 3 ways of loading a rod to it's optimum. 1. Use a longer length of lighter line than the rod's rating 2. Use a shorter length of heavier line than the rod's rating. 3. Use the " correct " weight of line for the rod's rating. This could consist of a head length of anywhere between 30'-100' ie shooting head to long belly spey line.Which rather neatly brings us back to the point Kenny was trying to make about presentation on small rivers , and to which you addressed the reply that I responded to. Shorter casts on smaller rivers are more easily accomplished with a shorter headed line of the " correct " line weight for the rod in question. On topic enough for you , TA ? Is there not a fourth way? Increase rod speed, by altering rod speed it is possible to cast a 5 weight line on a 10 weight rod or a 10 weight line on a 5 weight rod. I sometimes wonder how some anglers manage to catch the salmon at the neck of the pool, when it is lying only 1 yard from the bank, do they rush off and buy an extra heavy line to cover this fish? |
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