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Post by underghillie on Dec 21, 2009 21:29:37 GMT
Aye sloggi i think you mean the dark ages ;D ;D ;D ;D I was too polite to say, but you're correct Me too
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Post by lomond on Dec 21, 2009 22:49:59 GMT
Hey Lomond I think you find the newer shooting heads are easier to cast, present better, and will not land like a sack of spanners as older shooting head did. The main advantage for me is that I can cast a sinking shooting head all day and am as fresh at the end of the day as I was at the beginning (well, almost!). Easy casting in tight corners and in an icy wind. Do I cast more fish? That's difficult to say in our very poor spring rivers but I know I'm casting/fishing just as effectively five hours in so if I cover a fish I'm covering it well. I tend to use a S1/S2 on the relatively shallow Dee and the line is perfect for the river. Cheers for that Sloggi
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Post by charlieH on Dec 22, 2009 1:14:18 GMT
Rather than debate which dogma is best, does it not make sense to be well versed, if not fully efficient, in all the various styles/disciplines? Yes indeed. Nobody who aspires to a thoughtful approach to salmon fishing should narrow their horizons. There are advantages to both extremes of the head length range, and anyone who limits themselves to one or other risks becoming a one trick pony. The more I fish for salmon, the less I think we should be dogmatic. I don't believe there is 'one true way' and anyone who doesn't have and use, (or, if a beginner, aspire to have and use) a full range of skills will inevitably be limiting themselves.
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Post by alexandra on Dec 22, 2009 6:09:13 GMT
I'm thinking basically we are on the same precipice as before, when it was just the basic colours of the Double Tapers that we had until the big influx from the USA of using the Multi Coloured Weight Forward System lines.
No matter what NEW fly line system is being used there will always be the stalwarts who will still believe in their Double Taper or Spey Lines and whatever else they used to angle with, before the Rainbow exploded and spread its colours throughout Plastics Industry.
But one Question remains yet; And that is "If Anglers should adapt to the S/H as Sloggi would have us do, why does the British salmon angler need such long rods in their armoury to use these Shooting Heads, when our American cousins who have much bigger & wider rivers only use much shorter rods & sometimes lighter lines for this same operation?
AL
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Post by springfly on Dec 22, 2009 13:49:49 GMT
spey all the way,,,,
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Post by minho on Dec 22, 2009 18:43:35 GMT
Love to fish medium to long belly lines, floating or up to a slow sink tip. Very little experience fishing with traditional (full) sinking lines, although got a little bit of instruction regarding their utilization.
Hate recovering a lot of line after each cast, and what a loss of fishing time!
So, for me, going for SH is indeed equivalent of joining the “Dark Side“.
However, fishing the collie dog is quite productive but a curse with a medium-long belly line.
Therefore, thinking about buying a SH or a short belly line for that purpose; in other words, I am looking for a proper set up to fish the monkey/sunray/collie. Any help on this subject would be greatly appreciated.
Paulo
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Post by Williegunn on Dec 22, 2009 19:40:20 GMT
But one Question remains yet; And that is "If Anglers should adapt to the S/H as Sloggi would have us do, why does the British salmon angler need such long rods in their armoury to use these Shooting Heads, when our American cousins who have much bigger & wider rivers only use much shorter rods & sometimes lighter lines for this same operation? AL Ever since Lee Wulff our colonial cousins have always thought that small rods were the way to go. In the days before Spey Casting was invented in the Pacific North-West I remember an American fishing the Spey with a 9’ 9weight and overhead casting after 2 days the old gillie put down his pipe looked the American straight in the eye and asked “are you here to fish or just to climb every tree on my beat?”
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Post by underghillie on Dec 22, 2009 20:33:13 GMT
Ever since Lee Wulff our colonial cousins have always thought that small rods were the way to go. In the days before Spey Casting was invented in the Pacific North-West I remember an American fishing the Spey with a 9’ 9weight and overhead casting after 2 days the old gillie put down his pipe looked the American straight in the eye and asked “are you here to fish or just to climb every tree on my beat?” Very good williegunn i like that, seen same in our island pool its very frustrating especially when there is a few fish about.
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Post by madkeen on Dec 22, 2009 20:35:59 GMT
What does a gillie do in those situations Move them on or give them the spinning rod
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Post by underghillie on Dec 22, 2009 21:31:22 GMT
What does a gillie do in those situations Move them on or give them the spinning rod I know what i'd like to do
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Post by kingfisher on Dec 23, 2009 7:45:37 GMT
Haven't used a full spey line for the last three seasons... Sloggi, I like the idea of SH work, but these can't be suitable for smaller rivers surely. Esk, upper Tweed, Nith etc. Rivers that are easily covered by a simple spey cast and being a smaller/narrower river(s) would mean less presentation?? I agree for Tay, Spey, Tummel and Dee etc, they have their place in ones bag, but would be interested in your or anyones elses view on when to stop using them? kf
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2009 8:43:20 GMT
Haven't used a full spey line for the last three seasons... Sloggi, I like the idea of SH work, but these can't be suitable for smaller rivers surely. Esk, upper Tweed, Nith etc. Rivers that are easily covered by a simple spey cast and being a smaller/narrower river(s) would mean less presentation?? I agree for Tay, Spey, Tummel and Dee etc, they have their place in ones bag, but would be interested in your or anyones elses view on when to stop using them? kf KF I think there was an article by a certain Neil A in Trout and Salmon a wee while back about the use of a SH on the North Esk. Quite illuminating and cerrtainly gave me pause for thought about the use of SH's on smaller rivers Not a total convert yet as I still like my DT9 floater and WF7 lines on smaller rivers But for Big River, Sunk and Intermediate Lines, I am a lot less wary of using the Shooting Head now. I take other points about mending and being able to utilise a full toolkit of lines. However, I don't think I have the time in this life to become a 7th Dan of Speycasting and able to adapt to all circumstances with a full range of casts and appropriate lines - too many other things on the go at present tweedbunnet
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Post by kingfisher on Dec 23, 2009 9:47:01 GMT
Sloggi, I like the idea of SH work, but these can't be suitable for smaller rivers surely. Esk, upper Tweed, Nith etc. Rivers that are easily covered by a simple spey cast and being a smaller/narrower river(s) would mean less presentation?? I agree for Tay, Spey, Tummel and Dee etc, they have their place in ones bag, but would be interested in your or anyones elses view on when to stop using them? kf KF I think there was an article by a certain Neil A in Trout and Salmon a wee while back about the use of a SH on the North Esk. Quite illuminating and cerrtainly gave me pause for thought about the use of SH's on smaller rivers tweedbunnet Neil is our very own Sloggi
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Post by sloggi on Dec 23, 2009 9:51:00 GMT
KF I think there was an article by a certain Neil A in Trout and Salmon a wee while back about the use of a SH on the North Esk. Quite illuminating and cerrtainly gave me pause for thought about the use of SH's on smaller rivers tweedbunnet Neil is our very own Sloggi Afraid so Apologies in advance for any future posts With the shortage of space behind the caster, the often reedy banks, and the general lack of space under trees etc, shooting heads are a real bonus on small rivers.
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Post by kingfisher on Dec 23, 2009 10:16:12 GMT
Hmm never thought about limited back cast space, but I still think that a speycast utilising the snap T could get one out of most situations. My [still] concerns is presentation on wee rivers Sloggi.
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