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Post by guesty on Jun 11, 2011 18:43:11 GMT
I fished The beat the day after the 2 fish were caught. The guy who caught the 33 lb fish confirmed the fish was indeed "dead" when it was landed in the net.
Out of curiousity, what would the other ghillies do regarding catching such a big fish if it was dead or did not recover?
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Post by keirstream on Jun 11, 2011 19:35:28 GMT
I fished the beat the day after the 2 fish were caught. The guy who caught the 33 lb fish confirmed the fish was indeed "dead" when it was landed in the net. Out of curiousity, what would the other ghillies do regarding catching such a big fish and if it was dead or did not recover? Im not a ghillie but I suggest you read Rubberwellies post above. Once you earn a reputation for killing fish unnecessarily then its difficult for people to believe stories about fish being killed because they are deep hooked and bleeding etc. Of course these things happen on every beat, it just seems to happen far more regularly . Strangely enough the Internationaly accepted method for dealing with deep hooked fish is to cut the line and return the fish alive. The hook will drop out and generally the fish will survive so the story about the 24lbr doesnt hold water.
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Post by guesty on Jun 11, 2011 20:08:54 GMT
I did read the post from rubberwellie!! As for the past history of the beat i dont know it. All i have mentioned is what the guy who caught the 33lb fish said to me. I dont know anything about the 24 lb fish as the guy who caught that, was not part of the group fishing so can not comment. Maybe read what i said a bit more carefully Keirstream
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Post by keirstream on Jun 11, 2011 20:33:52 GMT
Maybe read what i said a bit more carefully Keirstream [/quote] You are of course correct Guesty and welcome to the forum. I note you are simply asking a question of other ghillies and I will but out and leave it to the professionals to comment. I also have to say that I have no first hand knowledge of what indeed goes on within the confines of that beat, all I know is that it has a hellufa reputation on the Tay for killing fish of all sizes as it also has for worming.
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Post by keirstream on Jun 11, 2011 21:36:52 GMT
Catching them on a worm is a sin, it's about time you banned it on the Tay ! Just noticed this post Malcolm. I dont agree with your sentiments entirely. A skillful proponent of worming is an artist at work. In the right hands at the right time of the season an expert is a joy to watch, every fish being caught in the scissors or the tongue and easily returned. Its when inexperienced or careless anglers use it that the bait is allowed time to be swallowed causing deep hooking and resultant tissue damage I dont now personally use the worm but I would never chastise someone for using it ------- properly. Particularly in the deep lower river pools during grilse time but not in Spring or Autumn
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Post by salmonshrimp on Jun 11, 2011 21:57:03 GMT
Catching them on a worm is a sin, it's about time you banned it on the Tay ! I'm not sure how a single hook can damage a fish any more than a double or treble. Lot's of kids learn to fish using worm
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Post by underghillie on Jun 11, 2011 22:14:50 GMT
Intresting to see how I am percieved by my peers. I only wrote what all the Ghillie's on the river think about you and what goes on you're beat. I for one am getting a bit pissed off with all the stories of fish being killed on you're beat, it must be even worse for the Ghillie's on the surrounding beats who are trying to stick to the guidelines. I know from speaking to one or two the Ghillies on the river the pressure to kill fish is even greater because of what goes on on you're beat, as their guests will say! a but such and such are killing them so why cant we! IMO its time you had a good look at what you are doing so as not to piss you're peers off! then maybe they won't give you such a hard time. Thats my rant over i won't be adding any more to this thread. Tony
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Post by guesty on Jun 11, 2011 22:49:13 GMT
Catching them on a worm is a sin, it's about time you banned it on the Tay !
Lets ban the harling since it killled a big fish etc. You will agree to that. What if that fish was on a fly and it was bleeding badly what next............. lets use rubber hooks.!!
One thing that is guarnteed some fish will not recover from any fight. If you feel so strong about that dont play a fish then release it.
What about all the tributaries, are they forgotten about and all the worming etc goes on there?? What numbers are caught and killed.... no mention of them.
Lets not keep getting into this argument about the worming etc cause im sure it has been a life saver for some of the beats where they are paying a fair bit of dosh to catch a fish and the worm has been productive. If you turned up and payed £100 for a day and the reply was sorry "no fly fishing today" go home. think you would be a bit pissed??
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Post by keirstream on Jun 11, 2011 23:22:05 GMT
Catching them on a worm is a sin, it's about time you banned it on the Tay ! Lets ban the harling since it killled a big fish etc. You will agree to that. What if that fish was on a fly and it was bleeding badly what next............. lets use rubber hooks.!! Deeply hooked fish on fly , harling, spinning and well fished worms are a very small %age of the overall catch. Naturally, any genuine bleeders need to be despatched. Guidduglucy is a Tweed ghillie, the only worms he sees comes out of Lucys rear end!!!! One thing that is guarnteed some fish will not recover from any fight. If you feel so strong about that dont play a fish then release it. A fish returned after a good fight still has a good chance of recovering. By melting it over the head with a priest it has been proven that you reduce the chances of survival substantially. What about all the tributaries, are they forgotten about and all the worming etc goes on there?? What numbers are caught and killed.... no mention of them. They need controlled as well. Its a constant frustration to most of the main stem ghillies that once the fish go through for example the pass at Pitlochry all control is lost. Lets not keep getting into this argument about the worming etc cause im sure it has been a life saver for some of the beats where they are paying a fair bit of dosh to catch a fish and the worm has been productive. If you turned up and payed £100 for a day and the reply was sorry "no fly fishing today" go home. think you would be a bit pissed?? Nobodys getting into that argument. Only Malcolm who is not a Tay man. He fishes a lovely beat on the Tweed where the worst that happens is that Tay ghillies and other reprobates sometimes spin. But still he is entitled to his opinion. Like Underghillie, I have now said the last word on the subject, its time to move on and hopefully learn some lessons. Again Guesty, welcome to this forum.
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Post by guidduglucy on Jun 12, 2011 19:05:27 GMT
Aye ok lads I used to love fishing a worm now and again but no matter how skilful the angler is more are badly hooked on a worm than a fly. I just think. in these days of conservation worm fishing should be stopped. I have been tagging all the fish I release at the moment and I'm paying a bit more attention to them after release, As I'm sure you all know or have felt the fish give that bit kick when you first get it back into the water but hold it for a few seconds more then release it and it goes belly up which will often be out of sight if it's been released to soon, A few recent fish have taken 10/15 mins to recover I just prop them up against a stone or in some weed leave them alone for 10/15 mins touch their tails and off they go, I often say it's like us running a 4 minute mile then someone holds your head under water for a wee while taking photos and the like, your not going to be too happy about things for a while. And for most other types of fishing its the big stick in the man's hand that kills the fish not the bait. Anyway used to catch too many Eels on the worm down here and I hate Eels can't stand them. Anyway carry on lads
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Post by salmonshrimp on Jun 12, 2011 19:37:25 GMT
Ah don't fish the worm these days but I like having the option. I may never fish the worm again but I still like being able to make the choice if I want to. One day when I'm old and grey it may be my only option
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Post by stinger on Jun 14, 2011 9:01:16 GMT
Ah don't fish the worm these days but I like having the option. I may never fish the worm again but I still like being able to make the choice if I want to. One day when I'm old and grey it may be my only option Lawrence, you are old and grey ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by salmonshrimp on Jun 14, 2011 13:29:29 GMT
Ah don't fish the worm these days but I like having the option. I may never fish the worm again but I still like being able to make the choice if I want to. One day when I'm old and grey it may be my only option Lawrence, you are old and grey ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Depends on yer perspective ;D
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Post by ballingall512 on Aug 10, 2011 22:31:03 GMT
just coming...... It's already here ;D ;D
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Post by salmonshrimp on Aug 11, 2011 15:48:01 GMT
You need some heavy minnows and I know just the man ;D ;D
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