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Post by faughanpurple on Feb 19, 2010 9:49:02 GMT
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Post by fenton on Feb 19, 2010 18:43:46 GMT
Another lovely flee. I just wonder what makes this a monkey, as opposed to a Tosh, or simply a black and yellow tube?
('scuse my ignorance)
Cheers
Fenton
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Post by ballingall512 on Feb 19, 2010 22:03:34 GMT
Another lovely flee. I just wonder what makes this a monkey, as opposed to a Tosh, or simply a black and yellow tube? ('scuse my ignorance) Cheers Fenton The original fly was tied using monkey hair  The current variations use, arctic fox / cashmere goat / monkey sub/ runner/ nayat. and a whole host of others. My personal preference is for a short bulky fox underwing to raise the main wing, and then a long goat wing over the top. I still prefer it tied on a big salar double than on a tube, it swims better IMHO |
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Post by sloggi on Feb 19, 2010 23:07:07 GMT
Hmmm, really interesting question Fenton. I've thought about it for a bit and although I'd say this was not a Monkey, i'm struggling to determine why. The question of using Monkey hair or not is an easy response but not relevant due to the difficulty in picking up monkey hair. When looking at FP's well executed fly, my first thought is the wing's too short for the overall body length yet we know that Sunray's often have long tubes coupled with long wings if fish are taking "short". I'd have to say the Monkey is a "long-winged" fly intended to be fished fast (in warmer water at least!). The other possible difference is the body dressing and beard. The original has a hen-hackle tied round or as a beard and had no body dressing. That has changed in recent times most notably with Duncan E's Arndilly Monkey with a dubbed body. The wing is of vital importance. B512 mentions different materials. If I've not got Monkey, I use fox (if I can get it long enough) as this gives the best balance of weight, density, and movement. For me, goat is too heavy and requires too bulky an underwing to perform at it's maximum. B512 - whatever works for you but we'll have to disagree on the salar hook/tube point  FP - sweet fly. What's the body dressing? |
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Post by faughanpurple on Feb 19, 2010 23:25:27 GMT
Cheers guys and All comments taken on board for future tyings and i'll definately add extra length.. what formulae would you recommend in regards to tube length V's wing length?
Sloggi The body material is a silver holo mylar braid made by Uni i think.
Although i named this the monkey all hair used is fox hair so its probably nearer the Dee Fox in name alone.
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Post by underghillie on Feb 19, 2010 23:25:57 GMT
Tubes for me to sloggi  Salars tangle to much. |
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Post by underghillie on Feb 20, 2010 3:02:28 GMT
Cheers guys and All comments taken on board for future tyings and i'll definately add extra length.. what formulae would you recommend in regards to tube length V's wing length? Sloggi The body material is a silver holo mylar braid made by Uni i think. Although i named this the monkey all hair used is fox hair so its probably nearer the Dee Fox in name alone. Don't worry about the name of the flee being called the monkey or any other name, the original ones i seen tied were using yak hair about 18 years ago, the wings being at least 8" long, i said to the gentalman who brought them to the beat you won't catch anything with them  He had them yellow, orange, red, green and all black and they all had silver embossed tinsel bodys. How my thoughts have changed  PS i think he got the flee's from sportsmail |
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Post by ballingall512 on Feb 20, 2010 13:20:15 GMT
Tubes for me to sloggi Salars tangle to much. Not if there tied right  |
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Post by Flamethrower on Feb 20, 2010 19:33:15 GMT
faughhanpurple
nice fly and will certainly catch fish but its more of a Tosh than a Monkey
i have an original Monkey fly that i ( borrowed ) from the inventor it is tied on a Loop bottle and the Monkey hair is still attached to the skin
i have an sbs of my Arndilly Monkey ( tied like the original ) i will posted this so that you can see the difference
duncan
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Post by underghillie on Feb 21, 2010 2:46:38 GMT
Tubes for me to sloggi Salars tangle to much. Not if there tied right Show me a flee like the monkey tied on a salar double with a long wing that does not tangle and i'l give you a days fishing. |
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Post by madkeen on Feb 21, 2010 7:26:34 GMT
I messed around with some smallish monkies last year on salars(2-3")and found that they tangled a lot more than the same dressing on bottle tubes and aluminium slipstreams.
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Post by ballingall512 on Feb 21, 2010 20:45:11 GMT
Not if there tied right Show me a flee like the monkey tied on a salar double with a long wing that does not tangle and i'l give you a days fishing. ;D ;D ;D  It's all about the lift for the wing  I tie them with yellow cock hackle wound, then yellow schlappen, then black fox, then goat/monkey etc. The hackles lift up the fox, which in turn traps air when in the water puffing out and raising the wing further, allowing even cashmere goat to swim like a fish. I havn't had one tangle yet.. but that's not to say it won't ever happen |
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Post by underghillie on Feb 22, 2010 20:25:14 GMT
Braw flees Dave, it must be my bad casting that makes them tangle |
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Post by kenmcel on Feb 26, 2010 2:11:05 GMT
A little glue before the head between the under and overwing helps maintain the intended profile and keeps the wing pointing where it should be. The tangling round the hook of a wet wing on the cast decreases. There is no adverse effect on the way the fly swims as it's the tail of the wings that do the talking underwater. Works very well.
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Salars tangle to much.
