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Post by skippy on Jan 29, 2010 21:12:47 GMT
With the never ending march towards C&R here in Scotland surely this must sound the death knell for the future of the fly tying treble hook and if so would anyone miss it ? Here's a pic of the legendery original Esmond Drury fly tying trebles, renouned for their hooking & holding abilitys though iv dropped more than i care to remember on these same hooks. The question is would the fly tying treble be a loss to Salmon fly fishing ? Skippy  Attachments:
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Post by macd on Jan 30, 2010 9:27:03 GMT
With the never ending march towards C&R here in Scotland surely this must sound the death knell for the future of the fly tying treble hook and if so would anyone miss it ? Here's a pic of the legendery original Esmond Drury fly tying trebles, renouned for their hooking & holding abilitys though iv dropped more than i care to remember on these same hooks. The question is would the fly tying treble be a loss to Salmon fly fishing ? Skippy hi skippy, great question skippy. The Esmond Drury is a legend. Ive grown apart from using trebles, but I always liked the small ones, from 10 down to 16. I would also miss the tube trebles. Again just the smallest ones. But overall, I prefer doubles regardless of rule changes :salars or code p fill the gap for the most part and low water doubles/wilsons cover the rest. I would be more concerned by the loss of little tube trebles like the kamasans. Some flies were just born to be on wee trebles. The Irish Shrimps for example, (and i will stand corrected by the irish boys) doesnt look the same on doubles. For that alone, it would be a big loss to flyfishing. |
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Post by mo on Jan 30, 2010 9:45:52 GMT
With the never ending march towards C&R here in Scotland surely this must sound the death knell for the future of the fly tying treble hook and if so would anyone miss it ? Here's a pic of the legendery original Esmond Drury fly tying trebles, renouned for their hooking & holding abilitys though iv dropped more than i care to remember on these same hooks. The question is would the fly tying treble be a loss to Salmon fly fishing ? Skippy hi skippy, great question skippy. The Esmond Drury is a legend. Some flies were just born to be on wee trebles. The Irish Shrimps for example, (and i will stand corrected by the irish boys) doesnt look the same on doubles. For that alone, it would be a big loss to flyfishing. I would most certainly agree that the Irish Shrimp patterns were made for the ED treble, and to my eye they just do not look the same on any other hook, especially the Salar double. The treble may be facing an uncertain future, with the continuing introduction of C&R, but it is still widely used here in Ireland, and will be until it's no longer allowed, especially in the smaller sizes. |
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Post by love2fish on Jan 30, 2010 11:11:18 GMT
i dont see it as the death knell of the treble . there are plenty of barbless an micro barbd hooks on the market .. . but like most i find the new doubles alot more reliable than the early doubles .
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Post by faughanpurple on Jan 30, 2010 12:36:43 GMT
I've actually gone back to tying on trebles this year and really enjoying it. After a foray into the world of Salars i've binned them for several reasons and gone back to the more reliable and suited to shrimp patterns ED.
I did use ken sawada for a while but are getting hard to find these days.
I do agree with Mo and MacD that Irish shrimps do look better on trebles and for small sizes the 14's are great hookers of fish and to me just seem stronger than any double of the same size.
As for the C&R eliment of trebles ive noticed that most of the fish ive taken on trebles have been in the outer area of the mouth or have infact fallen out in the net. Doubles and singles seem to get a better grip and are also taken further back in the mouth. Only the small 14's in small water seem to make it back into the mouth proper.
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Post by sloggi on Jan 30, 2010 17:35:36 GMT
It's an interesting question. I think a lot of detractors see the "locking" of a fish's jaws when hooked with a treble or the sight of a 13cm Rapala dripping with large trebles. I recall hooking a decent salmon on the Dee many years ago with a size 14 treble and I had to use pliers to cut the barbs before manging to extract them and release the fish. That said, I've hooked a salmon in the upper/lower jaws with a double. I had an interesting chat with a senior chap at Rapala who said that if trebles were banned or their use limited worldwide, they would simply adjust their lures to fish with double/singles but there's no demand right now. I would say the same as above re Irish Shrimps "looking better" on trebles but maybe it's because I'm used to seeing them on trebles  As to the N East of Scotland, I believe trebles are not welcome on most beats and I think river regs suggest barbless doubles/singles only. I fish with a free-swinging hook quite a bit and trebles offer better balance IMO for this style of fishing but I simply de-barb two hooks and snip-off the point/barb of the third. However, that was a rather long-winded way of saying yes, I think the day is looming where trebles will have had their day. |
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Post by underghillie on Jan 30, 2010 19:14:58 GMT
Not getting involved with this one. Great question though  |
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Post by Eminem on Feb 1, 2010 11:10:31 GMT
Interesting....any beat I have fished where trebles are frowned upon by the relevant Fishery Board, the Ghillies are fine with them (usually accompanied by a wee wink and wry smile)...which is more than fine with me. Like posters have stated above some flies just "look" the part with a treble hook  . Until they are banned I will continue checking with the owner of each beat before I tie another one on. Cheers, M. PS In answer to your original question - I hope not. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2010 19:02:52 GMT
I would miss a Treble most when summer fishing.
A size 10 to 14 Stoat style tied on a Drury style treble is a most effective fly IMHO and it just seems to fish at the right depth.
Would not miss using a Treble as much in the Spring though or in the back end proper when a Double or single Circle Hook will do the job on the back end of a Tube
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Post by skippy on Feb 3, 2010 16:54:26 GMT
Many thanks for the knowledgable feedback guy's. Much appreciated. Skippy |
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Post by perthshirefisher on Feb 20, 2010 18:24:02 GMT
When using the single hander 11.3 in the summer i only ever had trebles on the wee tube's i was fishing,and so did nearly every one else i saw. They done the job fine! if it aint broke ? What size of treble would most of you vetrans of the double handers use for 1" tube's??? |
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Post by salmonshrimp on Feb 20, 2010 19:20:57 GMT
I think when we generalise about salmon fishing it's important to remember that not all salmon fishing is the same. Rivers are unique to themselves and techniques for each individual river will be similar but different. In a flood I've regularly taken fish on 12's - 16's in certain places where singles or doubles do NOT work. In another pool or other pools doubles work well and trebles are as much use as an ashtray on a motor bike.
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Post by underghillie on Feb 21, 2010 1:44:43 GMT
When using the single hander 11.3 in the summer i only ever had trebles on the wee tube's i was fishing,and so did nearly every one else i saw. They done the job fine! if it aint broke ? What size of treble would most of you vetrans of the double handers use for 1" tube's??? Size 8 |
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Post by underghillie on Feb 21, 2010 2:22:30 GMT
After much thought on this subject i would like to put my thoughts on this and say it does not matter single, double or treble if the fish is hooked back in the gill rackers it is going to bleed and going to die, some of the worst hooked fish i have seen have been with single hooks size 4 and larger they are like gaffs and are usually stuck right through the tong and out through the chin and the fish has no chance of survival.
Salar doubles with their in curved points are much harder to extract and are quite brittle so you usually leave part of the hook in the fish.
With trebles they are usually stuck in the scissors and because they are usually much smaller than the doubles or singles we use are much easier to extract.
I would like to say i fished singles for 1 spring and had to kill 7 springers out of 29 landed, most seasons using trebles i have to kill between 1 and 3 and they are fish that have swallowed the fly.
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Post by perthshirefisher on Feb 21, 2010 16:18:52 GMT
When using the single hander 11.3 in the summer i only ever had trebles on the wee tube's i was fishing,and so did nearly every one else i saw. They done the job fine! if it aint broke ? What size of treble would most of you vetrans of the double handers use for 1" tube's??? Size 8 Cheers UG i was thinking 8 it looks right anyway but thought i would check |
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. Until they are banned I will continue checking with the owner of each beat before I tie another one on.