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Post by kingfisher on Feb 13, 2010 17:04:38 GMT
Since the Ally Shrimp and Cascade hit the scene, I'm wondering does anyone still fish black flies or near black nowadays?
Seems every one you meet on the river has a cascade or similar modern bright coloured fly on and I have never yet meet anyone with a stoats tail etc on their line.
KF
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Post by hagar on Feb 13, 2010 17:24:15 GMT
I'm wondering does anyone still fish black flies or near black nowadays? Yup!
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Post by salmonshrimp on Feb 13, 2010 17:48:42 GMT
Since the Ally Shrimp and Cascade hit the scene, I'm wondering does anyone still fish black flies or near black nowadays? Seems every one you meet on the river has a cascade or similar modern bright coloured fly on and I have never yet meet anyone with a stoats tail etc on their line. KF Absolutely especially for lying fish. It all depends on the conditions at the time, water height and light conditions. Black flies work in bright sunlight and also work in cloud with a hint of sun. If there are lying fish a good technique is to cover them with a bright fly and then with a black or dark fly. When you find out what they are taking leave it on until conditions change. I've seen me with the same fly on for a week, often the black fly, until the water or weather changed. Then you have to start again
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2010 18:42:30 GMT
No Salmon (or trout) fly box should be without a Black Fly IMHO
I especially like a Stoat's Tail style fly on an ED Treble in the smaller sizes 10-14 for a lot of the season fished off a floating line and a 9-12ft tapered leader. Dead simple set up to fish.
As noted, it is good in brighter light and also at dusk.
You can make it as fancy or as plain as you like with Tails, Butts and Jungle Cock but a basic Black fly with a silver rib makes a great silhouette when fish look at it from below
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Post by macd on Feb 13, 2010 18:45:19 GMT
the silver shrimp (silver stoat tied shrimpy) is a great favourite of mine- especially, as Lawrence says, for lying fish. as far as i can tell, black flies are still very important to a lot of anglers- wee stoats etc are still very much in evidence on the Dee- especially 12-14s.
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Post by kingfisher on Feb 13, 2010 18:52:41 GMT
Interesting in that its still fished a lot, especially in the Bright Sunny days.
I thought that black flies did ok for the darkening hours and when after seatrout as well.
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Post by macd on Feb 13, 2010 19:16:20 GMT
do you fish them much kenny?
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Post by kingfisher on Feb 13, 2010 19:20:10 GMT
do you fish them much kenny? Good return question Mac. No I don't. Being relatively new to Salmon fishing over the last few years, have never had any confidence in what I perceive to be a dark, non inviting flies that I felt the fish would not be too interested in when compared to the new modern versions. I will try them this year at some point though. ;D
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Post by macd on Feb 13, 2010 19:48:13 GMT
i know what you mean- we are all a bit susceptible to falling for a bit of bling A flashy shrimp fly for provoking fresh fish and a wee stoat for tempting the residents is not bad as a rule of thumb. on the thurso that is the rationale for using a dropper. Big point fly for the fresh fish and a small hairwing for the residents. i generalise of course, but you get the idea.
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Post by salmonshrimp on Feb 13, 2010 20:52:39 GMT
do you fish them much kenny? Good return question Mac. No I don't. Being relatively new to Salmon fishing over the last few years, have never had any confidence in what I perceive to be a dark, non inviting flies that I felt the fish would not be too interested in when compared to the new modern versions. I will try them this year at some point though. ;D Ross has nailed it. Ya don't know what your missing you can put black or dark bling in your black fllies. Works a treat at the right time and in the right place
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Post by underghillie on Feb 14, 2010 1:04:11 GMT
I fish a flee that is all black with great results.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2010 9:22:25 GMT
Kenny
A Stoat's Tail/Black Pennel is a great Dropper Fly if you are happy using one.
I quite like the Kamasan B980 for the hook as it is a nice strong hook with a wide gape but there are a lot of very good Specimen Hooks out there that do the job also.
Have seen some use a big "Hairy" Double as the Dropper when dibbling the fly at the top of a pool/lie. Usually 4ft up from the Tail fly and on the rockier sort of river.
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Post by kingfisher on Feb 14, 2010 9:30:35 GMT
All part of learning I suppose,and some good replies there guys, thanks.
Can I ask if the silhouette, is more of an attraction at times, especially when fishing a black/dark fly??
kf
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Post by hagar on Feb 14, 2010 12:47:58 GMT
The remains of one of my favourite late spring / summer flies. This particular one has taken a few fish. Kinda similar to Ross's Silver Shrimp , but with a skinny wee black wing added . Size 13 Salar.
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Post by ballingall512 on Feb 14, 2010 13:05:58 GMT
I use a couple of all black or nearly all black flies through the summer and early autumn. first is my all black shrimp. Tail black bucktail body peacock glyster dubbing rib oval silver wing black bucktail hackle black cock saddle cheeks jc head black The next one I use is an overgrown trout spider pattern I call the tarantula. It is black in the most part. Body silver tinsel first hackle black cock for support 2nd hackle black schlappen or hen saddle 3rd hackle natural guinea fowl head black. This is my favourite dull coloured fly works great for wary salmon and has accounted for a few fresh ones too. in smaller sizes wirks great for seatrout. For all that I have taken fish on both these flies, and I have a fair bit of confidence in them both, would I ever take them off the dropper and fish them on the point or on there own, instead of the bigger flashier mobile point fly??? probably not ;D ;D
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