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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2010 13:12:57 GMT
Started tying some Red Frances and will be moving on to Black and possibly Green as well.
I have been stripping large Furnace and White hackle stalks - as per Davie McPhails video on YouTube which is brilliant viewing.
How important are the White Hackle stalks in the dressing as I am struggling to find enough ones to match the Furnace ones I use. In other words, is the Catchability factor affected if you do not always incorporate the White stalks at each side.
Would also like to know what is the earliest date anyone has caught a fish on a Frances fly in Scotland?
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Post by ballingall512 on Nov 15, 2010 23:13:44 GMT
2 white stems are important on the francis, it gives a far better presence in the water than if tied with only the natural or dyed furnace hackles. Earliest fish I know of was late february taken on a black francis 15mm bottle tube. it also accounted fro 18 in 1 week in may 2009  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2010 6:00:41 GMT
Dave
thanks for that.
tb
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Post by weefrankie on Nov 16, 2010 7:21:43 GMT
Think they are key trigger,apparently some spiecies in wild have long white feelers, Remember Richard Walker article years ago about triggers, recognition of buzzer parts and china mans face upside down,turn up right way and every one recocgnised immediatley I tie down to size 12 an micro cone heads approx 1/2 " body inc cone plus tail rostrum length taken fish over 20ilbs with sdize12 drury version its all in the name Brown trout adore it as well The salmon fishers soldier palmer Hackle stocks old bargain white/cream or varient with no spec capes schlappen stalks try ebay theatrical dress companies sell schlappen,i got a bag with over 100 white for £5 about a year ago,plus a tackle shop was selling them off at a £! a bag bit back there are feather merchants for theatre companies who sell various in bulk colours ostrich pheasenr peacock marabou friends could club together,Here is one where i got ostritch hackles for octupus flies ordered in dyed colours had to wait three weeks but good stuff sorry just found out they are not trading again to january but this is a uk company they recomend www.froufroufeathers.co.uk/ |
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Post by northwestern on Nov 16, 2010 21:09:57 GMT
Does anyone use boar bristles for tying their Frances flies?
Better or worse?
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Post by weefrankie on Nov 16, 2010 21:20:15 GMT
Calf tail or dyed pheasnt breast for rostrum,feelers cock hackles or boar bristle, white feelers always white hackle stalks for me
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2010 7:39:13 GMT
weefrankie
many thanks for the info.
Did not realise how important the white stalks were felt to be to the success of the fly.
Will also try some Natural Boar Bristle on the wee sizes but have a go at bleaching it white first. Don't think Domestos is the answer so need to ask a proper hairdresser!
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Post by ballingall512 on Nov 17, 2010 17:15:59 GMT
weefrankie many thanks for the info. Did not realise how important the white stalks were felt to be to the success of the fly. Will also try some Natural Boar Bristle on the wee sizes but have a go at bleaching it white first. Don't think Domestos is the answer so need to ask a proper hairdresser! tb Get in touch with sue at foxy tails tb. She has some lovely bristles in stok that are a wee bit finer than the standard bristles she sells, they have an almost clear stem and take a dye far better than the standard ones with the black stem |
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Post by weefrankie on Nov 17, 2010 18:55:35 GMT
Used to wash our baby dolls in daz so it kept them a bluer white,tip from Bob Church ,and before the comments the white baby doll lure made with white cirdar baby wool,,and yes i have tied a francis or two with peach doll wool never gave a swim yet
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Post by northwestern on Nov 17, 2010 18:55:40 GMT
Dave, Do you use boar bristles for some of your Frances? Which way round do you tie them in? NW. |
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Post by ballingall512 on Nov 17, 2010 21:54:23 GMT
Dave, Do you use boar bristles for some of your Frances? Which way round do you tie them in? NW. NW I only use hackle stems for mine, as I find the boar bristles too short. Even my small francis on micro tubes etc, have long feelers. The boar bristles, don't give the fly the presence in the water that I like from the hackle stems. I have also experimented with using dyed hackles ie orange/black on the same coloured fly, as when you strip the stems you get the white edge from where the hackle fibres were routed, and the colour on the rest of the stem. I would use these in place of the 2 white stalks. As for which way to tie in the bristles or stems, tie in one on the top, with the stem curling upwards, turn your tube round so this is on the bottom, and tie another one on top. then repeat the process so you have 4 bristles spaces out,evenly as if quartering the tube. Then add your 2 white stems, to give 6 in total.evenly spaced around the tube hope this helps. Dave. |
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Post by underghillie on Nov 17, 2010 22:15:38 GMT
Just to put my oar in, i use same coloured stalks on all my Frances flees IE red with red and black with black,i will post a pic when i work out how to get the best out of ma new camera that martin got for me  Tony |
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