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Post by kingfisher on Oct 12, 2010 14:55:33 GMT
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Post by cannycatchacold on Oct 12, 2010 15:06:40 GMT
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Post by kingfisher on Oct 12, 2010 15:37:12 GMT
Thanks for that John. There is a lot in what you say about expensive waders etc. Having said that I usually go for the cheaper end of the market and I suppose I get what I get because of that, but did notice the Bison waders when I was last in their shop and they did at least look the part. I suppose £69 isn't a lot to try them out. Do you know what their after sales is like in the event they leak? |
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Post by cannycatchacold on Oct 12, 2010 16:27:18 GMT
Thanks for that John. There is a lot in what you say about expensive waders etc. Do you know what their after sales is like in the event they leak? No probs mate. Sorry I dont know what their after sales service is like as Ive never heard of a pair leaking.............. straight up. Ive just searched another forum looking for Bison wader leaks and could only find good reviews of them. Are you near Falkirk? If so I could meet up and let you look at mine if you like? |
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Post by scanny on Oct 12, 2010 17:27:16 GMT
I'll second Bisons, I've torn, scuffed and put hooks through mine and still they are leakproof. Excellent value
If there's any issues with them Newmills are good and replace them usually.
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Post by kingfisher on Oct 12, 2010 18:11:12 GMT
Cheers guys for that, but I got a very pleasant surprise when I came home tonight. Sports fish have replaced my waders with new ones.
Hows that for service? credit where credits due etc. well done Sportsfish (Hope they last longer than the first pair though ;D)
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Post by diverdave on Nov 7, 2010 22:02:24 GMT
Well done sportfish!
I have had a few pairs of Bisons in, but given the price they are sound waders. They have a lot of seams, so use material more efficiently hence the price i guess, but they are stronger than many of the big names. The ones i have had in have had pin holes and a couple of minor seam leaks, but nothing to horrible!
dave
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Post by tyneytone on Nov 7, 2010 22:06:55 GMT
Dave,whats your opinion on Daiwa Lochmors? I've just ordered a pair,should I send them straight to you to get sealed up,or are they as good as they say?  ?  |
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Post by diverdave on Nov 7, 2010 22:24:52 GMT
I don't really going into detail on individual waders as usage and the like makes as much difference as manufacture. But i don't see many of these. It could be they are well made or that they are reasonably low cost but they are not a common one for us.
That said we have a 100% success rate with neoprenes, never had a repair back so sealing them would certainly make the seams last well.
However in general terms....
Neoprene’s leak from the crotch seams, they all do and when we test them as soon as we see signs of leakage at the crotch we stop the test and repair the crotch seams before we complete the test. The inside seam at the knees is little better! Thankfully they are a reasonably easy fix and once done they should last for years, as the major leak problem points are eliminated. If they leak badly we now remove the inside tape, and this allows us to put on a tighter and thinner repair. The neoprene really soaks up the sealant mixture, which is good for sealing them, it gets a great grip, but is a pain for us as it takes more mixture and takes ages to dry! They take us 6 coats minimum to get a good solid repair, but thankfully our neoprene repairs have a 100% pass rate, we have never had a neoprene wader back after repair. Basically it does not delaminate or perish like some breathables so we can keep them going for years. My neoprene dive suit is 18 years old and has done thousands of dives, it has never leaked from a seam, so the technology is not new, just a new industry. We have developed our own sealant for neoprene, mixed ourselves and we are quite delighted by it.
Pinholes in them are rarer and because of the material in the inside they fix easy, i inject right through punctures now, and then patch on the inside, this again eliminates any possibility of a further leak at that point.
Obviously I would say get them sealed, but neoprene seams are never as neat as breathable ones, and although the seal is done on the inside you can always see it, whereas with breathables you can hardly see it. So perhaps the best answer is enjoy them until they leak and then send them up, with neoprene we can always fix them, we have never found one beyond economic repair, as does happen from time to time with breathables, perhaps 0.5% or less that are so porous and delaminated that although we can fix them we cannot guarantee them so what is the point.
cheers
Dave
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Post by tyneytone on Nov 8, 2010 0:50:46 GMT
Cheers Dave,what a comprehensive and may I say completely honest answer I'll see how the Lochys go,but no doubt about it,I'll be sending them to you at the end of next season for a bit of TLC  They are available for less than 100 quid new,I've got pals who have had pairs for 5 years and more with no issues re leaks.A rare thing these days! Cheers bud and thanks again for the no nonsense reply,another thing which is in short supply right now! Tone |
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