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Post by greenbanks on Nov 22, 2009 12:24:52 GMT
Its been suggested to me that I should acquire one of these lines for a forthcoming trip to the Rio Grande.Its known to be very windy and these lines are supposed to be ideal for the conditions. I was wondering if any members use them and how do they find them?
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Post by nessc on Nov 22, 2009 12:53:16 GMT
They are by no means my favoured line as they suit a very short stroke and the presentation can be inconsistent and at times splashy. You also tend to get a soar arm from stripping all day. However they do have one or two uses: - Great for turning heavy flies and tips, on small to medium sized rivers.
- Good for stripping a collie.
If you do use one you'll get the most out of it with a perry poke and not a spey cast. Gordon
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Post by greenbanks on Nov 23, 2009 19:36:54 GMT
Have you footage of the Perry Poke you can post on the forum?
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Post by nessc on Nov 23, 2009 20:11:19 GMT
Don't let Malcolm see this, he'll hit the roof ;D.
The slack line created on the forward dump allows you to load the rod to the max on the final backstroke, plus the consistency of the anchor is very good with short heads, something I struggle with on a single spey with the skagit.
As a general rule I don't use this cast other than when I am using a very short head, but it's good to have in your armoury.
Gordon
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Post by madkeen on Nov 23, 2009 20:13:14 GMT
Here is some from youtube GB
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Post by madkeen on Nov 23, 2009 20:15:09 GMT
Nessc coincedence must have been looking at Youtube at the same time ;D
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Post by fishnapper on Nov 27, 2009 9:55:04 GMT
Fit like folks,
I have just got the new Rio Flight 600grain Skagit from the States. Have tried it on a 14foot and 15 foot GT4 catapult with the sink 8 and T14 15foot tip and 1" Tungsten tube. It is bloody amazing!!! They have changed the taper of the line, therefore found it to be nowhere near as splashy as my other Skagit. With absolutely very little effort it pulls the tube from the depths and turns it over brilliantly. This is my new spring set-up.
Regards,
Fishnapper (skagit queen fae Eberdeen)... ;D ;D ;D
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Post by laxdale on Nov 27, 2009 11:20:54 GMT
Here is some from youtube GB I wonder how many others are thinking the same as me........I do that cast all the time........I dont really mean to, but I do.
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Post by heron on Jan 1, 2010 14:34:46 GMT
I use skagit style all winter long here in the Pacific Northwest, and I have to say we do get tired of strip-strip-strip. You end up with a big left arm, LOL! However, the advantages outweigh the inconveniences because they're ideal for the conditions here. A properly balanced Scandi or Skandit outfit will cope with wind pretty well too, but won't hork a heavy sinktip with a big fly quite as well. If it were me, I'd bring a Skagit head with a selection of tips AND an assortment of scandi heads, plus a spare spool with a bellied line; in other words, I'd go loaded for bear.
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Post by hagar on Jan 1, 2010 15:42:08 GMT
I tried Loopy's 650 grain Rio skagit head + cheater &15' tip at the recent DTX day. On the 14 ,15 & 16' DTXs. It flew off all 3 rods using a Snap T cast. Versatile line and VERY versatile rods. There's now a brand new 650 grain Rio skagit head in my tackle wardrobe just waiting for the rivers to thaw out.
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Post by kingfisher on Jan 1, 2010 18:44:43 GMT
I tried Loopy's 650 grain Rio skagit head + cheater &15' tip at the recent DTX day. On the 14 ,15 & 16' DTXs. It flew off all 3 rods using a Snap T cast. Versatile line and VERY versatile rods. There's now a brand new 650 grain Rio skagit head in my tackle wardrobe just waiting for the rivers to thaw out. Will most rods handle this grain weight? They do seem very heavy just to look at and I agree they fairly fly out there. kf
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Post by hagar on Jan 1, 2010 21:13:53 GMT
Will most rods handle this grain weight? I would very much doubt it. Skagits are no different to other lines , in that they need to be the correct weight for the rod. Just before the line was loaded onto the 14'er , I remember Scott saying that " If anything 'll break the rod , then that will" It didn't.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2010 21:56:45 GMT
hagar
It is a neat cast to master and looks fairly effortless to the naked eye. I believe it was designed for the specific purpose of fishing Sink tips and heavy flies in the PNW.
Just one query. How easy is it to make a large change of direction? I have not seen that in any videos.
I get the impression that the Perry Poke is a good for shallower angled casts - around 30 degrees (i.e. ideal for heavy sunk line) but could struggle if attempting a larger change of direction - i.e. up to 60 degrees.
Any thoughts on this?
tweedbunnet
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Post by hagar on Jan 1, 2010 22:10:00 GMT
Just one query. How easy is it to make a large change of direction? Very , and the cast can easily be started at any stage of the line's swing across the river .
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Post by heron on Jan 2, 2010 2:44:11 GMT
Skagit is very versatile and has great flexibility in application, and has spawned hybrid styles and different types of lines too. I fish Skandit style a lot on small/medium flows in the fall. All my skagit lines, from 350 grains all the way up to the heavies, have a level head and a very short rear taper. From my vid you can see how that affects loop flight. The next step for me will be acquiring some of the tapered skagit heads. They fly better and can still turn over some very substantial sinktips. A recent twist also is Intermediate sink skagit heads. I have a Guideline DDC, and the Int skagits operate on the same principle but because of a mild forward taper, should cast very nicely. A recent trend here in PNW is the compact skagit... some of us were taking extra heavy 27' skagits and chopping them to a shorter length for use on short rods in tight quarters. For instance, I chopped a 600 skagit to 22', 500 grains for use with my 7110 Z Axis. This in keeping with the ratio: head+tip=2.5-3.5 rod length. another useful rule of thumb:head weight plus tip weight=the top of the rod's grain window. Here's a statement most of you won't believe, but it's true... Any DH rod will cast ANY skagit head. When I first heard this I didn't believe it, but it's true. I've done it. The head weight and length tuning does make life nicer, though! RCS
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