Favorite rod

[scanny]

Your not expecting 35-40 yards from that, on that you are looking to cast 20 or so? Similarly with 20' of nylon on a TT shooting head, your not going to get stability

A 10/11 Shooting head on a 10/11 rated rod wouldn't be my first choice for close in work either

[salmonshrimp]

Understood

Although my 16 fter doesn't throw a shooting line as far as a soft all through action sage 16ft However it does throw the same head further than any 15ft rod

What I don't understand is why the need to reduce the weight by 10 + gr relatively 10/11 to 10/11

Take an average 54gr 10/11 75ft spey line shrink it down to 40 odd ft and alter the taper to suit why then reduce it by 10+ grms and still call it 10/11

What negtive effect, if any, would keeping the original 54gr weight have on the finished shooting head.

[scanny]

The sage is giving you more thrust as its smoothly loading it with the shooting head. The Dtx may want a little more effort to bend it, hence when you smoothly load it with a heavier or longer head, you will be the thrust from the butt. An 11/12 Pt uncut on the 16' goes ive been told

Heres an example, take the 14' Stinger. With an 8/9 on it your using the tip and its a flick to cast, you can accelerate into it and it pings off. You'll get very tight loops as not much of the rod is working. throw a little win d in and it gets interesting,

Go up to a 10/11, 9 grams heavier and you need to be slower, as the extra weight starts to push he load down the rod, and your bending into but. Your sacrificing the ability to create that extra line speed you could on the 8/9, as the butt which gave you the stiffness to, is now bending.

You slow the action of the rod. If you've paid £xxx for a rod with a specific action, putting that heavy line on just reduced the rod to a mid action instead of a tip action, im sure a Scierra makuta for £60 is a mid action and cheaper.

The Rio ratings are heavy compared to what Mortenson done with Loop Adapted and Scierra Mwf heads. He is designing them for tip action rods and to be cast using line speed.

Looking purely at Kinetic Energy, the speed is squared, so if you double the linespeed for the same weight head, your getting four times the energy. That's where the Scandinavian ethos comes from, from what i have read. Im sure Goran would correct me


Theres some new shooting heads due out soon that challenge this although

To confuse things even more, in a long belly rod you want to load the rod to the Butt, so use a stronger tip to help force the load down the rod instead of a softer butt. Again, so when you unload its driven from the strongest part of the rod

[perthshirefisher]

May 3, 2011 10:16:09 GMT scanny said:

May 1, 2011 16:10:06 GMT perthshirefisher said:

I am also using a Guideline AWM 14ft 9/10 with a 10/11 AFS floater and that pair is fantastic

As the song goes "there may be trouble ahead"

A guideline 9/10 rating is 35/36grams, the afs is touching 43g.

46 grams with the tip leader and flee and it will lift it right off the water in one go no rolling out needed with no drama atoll

Nice progressive bend doon to the cork

Av already broke a 14,9 AWM this year, so have an idea how much you can/cant get away with.

Am confident i wont break this one with that line on.

As i was told dont read to much into gram ratings, there a guide with room either side.

[scanny]

Its hardly a progressive rod and has a weak tip but good luck

[perthshirefisher]

May 3, 2011 17:37:10 GMT scanny said:

Its hardly a progressive rod and has a weak tip but good luck

It is with 46g oot the tip from my experience with the AWM you have to be playing at silly b*gers with no taped joints to break it, as i was av since put it down to inexperience, at the time! ;D

But! if there is a mishap al be the first to tell you

[fredaevans]

May 1, 2011 9:03:40 GMT Mon The Flee said:

DTX Rods all the way

Interesting (very) to read the reviews on the above rod. There is some availability in Canada and the folks are trying to set up a distribution network in the United States.

Considering the level of present competition, will be interesting to see how that works out. By the few photos available (speypages, et al) they appear to be beautifully finished off bit's of equipment.

One comment was to the effect that this line of rods was the largest selling product line in the UK. That raised an eye brow or two. A reasonable claim?

Personal vote here is a mixed bag as it's a function of what the water I'm standing in front of here on the Rogue River (eat your hearts out, it's a touch over 3 miles/5 minutes away). For lower water the 13'9" ACR (Gary Anderson) 5wt, touch more water then the ACR 13'9" 6wt, need to chuck some heavy tips then it's the 7 or 8wt Burkheimer.

For a given set of conditions they're all rocket ships as casting/fishing tools. And fishing tool is the most important part. 99% of 'Murican' casters couldn't care less if they could consistently lay out 100' of line as (with a few exceptions) it really isn't necessary. What they want to 'work' is what happens once that line hits the water.

There, as to what/which is the 'best rod,' you ask 5 guys and you'll get 10 opinions.

fae

[Sagecaster]

May 3, 2011 21:43:15 GMT fredaevans said:

May 1, 2011 9:03:40 GMT Mon The Flee said:

DTX Rods all the way

There, as to what/which is the 'best rod,' you ask 5 guys and you'll get 10 opinions.

fae

Personal favourite is an "old" 12ft 3 8 weight Sage TCR, suits my casting style to a Tee and can throw line miles if needed.

Regarding the DTX, I had a personal lesson with the great man and the 15fter last year. It took me a while to work out the action, suffice to say that it was not Sage like, was casting a respectable distance by the end though, he managed to chuck the line for miles standing in shoes at the side of the river! It's not for me though, I'd need to change my casting technique as I use quite a lot of top hand apparently, life's too short