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Post by bluecharm on Apr 30, 2011 22:32:55 GMT
Hi everyone, What is your favorite rod for double handed salmon fishing with spey or shooting head lines?
Thanks
Jim
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Post by herefishy on Apr 30, 2011 22:47:11 GMT
Hello Mr Jim
I tried to fish one of my rappalas on adouble hand thing rod, it was a friends (a very silly friend) Century 15'. It felt like a good harling rod, or for hanging clothes up on, but didn't like my rappalla.
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Post by sunrayshadow on Apr 30, 2011 23:08:57 GMT
15' Bruce and Walker double spey, great rod teamed up with an 11/12 carron jetstream 75' head and poly tips.
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Post by corribspeycaster on May 1, 2011 8:18:14 GMT
Turas 15 foot Robert Gillespie signature series the best spey rod I have ever cast, and ive owned a few lol, 45 yrds with a carron pro line is easy, they are also very well made.
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Post by salmonshrimp on May 1, 2011 9:13:34 GMT
DTX Rods all the way 16ft DTX
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Post by scanny on May 1, 2011 9:14:44 GMT
"Dtx Rods" That's not a rod, it's rods The shame of putting this three letters next to 15' Dtx with . . .(Afs) It's a Spey line weapon I'd go for the 15' Dtx with Proline, But when I finally get a new G2 9/10 line , that on the 14' is nicer.
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Post by perthshirefisher on May 1, 2011 16:10:06 GMT
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Post by scanny on May 3, 2011 10:16:09 GMT
I am also using a Guideline AWM 14ft 9/10 with a 10/11 AFS floater and that pair is fantastic As the song goes "there may be trouble ahead" A guideline 9/10 rating is 35/36grams, the afs is touching 43g.
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Post by salmonshrimp on May 3, 2011 13:46:18 GMT
If 10/11 spey lines weigh around 54gr why do 10/11 shooting heads only weigh around 42gr
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Post by tenet on May 3, 2011 14:30:06 GMT
I am also using a Guideline AWM 14ft 9/10 with a 10/11 AFS floater and that pair is fantastic As the song goes "there may be trouble ahead" A guideline 9/10 rating is 35/36grams, the afs is touching 43g. The AFS ST9/10S1 comes in at 39ft and weighs 580 grains or 38gms according to the box it came in. Would the floater be heavier??
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Post by scanny on May 3, 2011 14:42:35 GMT
Well, there's a question. Take a 54g 10/11 speyline, a good one so a triangle taper. It might have 10' rear taper, 20' belly, and 35' of front taper. Let's say it's cast at 60' outside the tip. A guess might see 50grams outside the rod tip over the 60'. Take a shooting head, 44' and 43grams, and a very similar triangle taper. Your casting 43 grams over 44', but you need another 15' on the end ideally, (10' tip plus 5' nylon). That's us up to 59', and if we count the 4g tip, were at 47g over 54'. So there's not too much of a difference, 10/11 Spey comes in at 50g over 60' 10/11 Head comes in at 47g over 54' The benefit in this situation, of the head over the full line, is that for a similar taper, it's shorter length allows more mass to be nearer the tip, loading it quicker comparatively. Why does this matter, that's another question for another day The shooting head tarted up with tips and mono, is only coming in 12' shorter in this example, so the "I don't have space for a speyline D Loop but I can cast a shooting head" might just be psychological.
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Post by scanny on May 3, 2011 14:48:19 GMT
As the song goes "there may be trouble ahead" A guideline 9/10 rating is 35/36grams, the afs is touching 43g. The AFS ST9/10S1 comes in at 39ft and weighs 580 grains or 38gms according to the box it came in. Would the floater be heavier?? 9/10 Afs heads come in between 38 and 39g- well mine do weighed. The new floaters surprisingly good with tips too. The point I was making is the rod is rated for 36g, but the 10/11 afs is 43g. An 8/9 or 9/10 Afs goes well on that rod. I only use a 9/10 Afs on it's big brother, the 14'9 10/11 Awm, the 10/11 feels brutish on it to me. 40g Power Tapers go well on it too Saying that, I'm about to go cast a 9/10 Carron Twin on an #8, depends on the rod.
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Post by salmonshrimp on May 3, 2011 15:01:58 GMT
I don't buy it .... We all use tips or polyleaders and nylon on our spey lines, you haven't counted these in your comparison, and you've used almost, if not, the shortest headed spey line available for the 10/11 rating. How about comparing a fairly short headed 75ft spey line plus a 10ft tip plus a 10ft leader
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Post by scanny on May 3, 2011 15:27:50 GMT
I counted a 10' tip in the shooting head as it usually needs the weight of it, on a triangle tapered head, to stabilise the front of it. As to the length, 54g happened to be a line I know the taper to well. What is the premise of the shooting head and what is that of a 75' head. Each was designed with an aspiration, efficiency on one had and stability on the other? There are more ideas about what each is suited to them people to argue about them. On heads, let's assume it's along the lines of Mortensons views, an efficient line system, reducing casting effort with a short stroke. With a similar weight (compared to a speyline), but in a shorter length. So it's going to have more of an effect on loading the rod as the mass is distributed comparatively closer to the tip. Take a stinger, fast and tippy, you can use a very short stroke to cast a shooting head of the tip. It's an efficient way to propel line. Try the same rod and stroke for a speyline and what happens? I've tried it on the 14' 9/10 with a 10/11 Afs and Mach 55, both nearly the same weight, similar lengths, but what one casts more efficiently? The distribution of the mass has the single largest effect, after we ignore the organic lump casting it Take your 16' Dtx, a powerful rod that will load to the butt joint, very different action but it's carbon strengths in the same league. It will want loaded different Although here's the 16's little brother, the 14' with a shooting head on it, note the open top hand, there's no great effort in it. A very capable shooting head rod. Add length into it and as we stretch up past 75', what effect does swinging the head through air have on loading
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Post by weefrankie on May 3, 2011 15:50:33 GMT
what about when i fish a shooting head at 10.5m and 1m of flourocarbon no poly or leaders how does that work
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