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Post by tullaghan on Apr 22, 2011 16:25:26 GMT
there was another fish lost today after afew runs and one yestday after agood cpl runs spat the rapala out there a good chance that one will come off the loch over the weekend. p.s the gates shut today
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Post by kmacc on Apr 22, 2011 17:31:46 GMT
The first fish used to come off around mid March, on the other hand the Clyde has had a good few fish so far. Per haps the fish have got lost and went up the Clyde with the anglers that used to fish the Leven. It will be very interesting to see what the results will be for the smolt program, 24000 smolts should make a huge difference to the future of the system.
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Post by hagar on Apr 22, 2011 18:29:23 GMT
, 24000 smolts should make a huge difference to the future of the system.
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Post by haddy on Apr 22, 2011 19:08:20 GMT
The first fish used to come off around mid March, on the other hand the Clyde has had a good few fish so far. Per haps the fish have got lost and went up the Clyde with the anglers that used to fish the Leven. It will be very interesting to see what the results will be for the smolt program, 24000 smolts should make a huge difference to the future of the system. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :
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Post by rubberwellie on Apr 23, 2011 0:10:25 GMT
I've heard that the river is badly silted up in the lower reaches, maybe sorting this out would make a bigger difference than 24,000 smolts being released. Mother nature is resilient and sometimes just needs a helping hand.
It is strange how the Clyde and Kelvins salmon runs have improved beyond all recognition whilst the Levens has declined so badly in the same time period.
Anyway if a river such as the Kelvin can come back from the dead then there is hope but the river has to be sorted out in order for the whole Lomond system to prosper. It is the gateway after all and a smolt programme can only ever paper over the cracks until the habitat is improved.
The 24,000 smolts will not be immune to whatever issues have caused the runs to dry up, however I do admire your optimism and hope it is not misplaced.
Maybe all major spawning burns could be improved as well and not just the Fruin and Endrick...
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Post by kmacc on Apr 24, 2011 17:19:38 GMT
I think that there are numerous problems with the lomond system and decisive management is required to lead the way. A lot of members consider the smolt program as the way to save the system. So the results from the smolt program must be properly evaluated and the evidence passed on to its members.
K MacC
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Post by stoatstail on Apr 25, 2011 20:39:09 GMT
I think that there are numerous problems with the lomond system and decisive management is required to lead the way. A lot of members consider the smolt program as the way to save the system. So the results from the smolt program must be properly evaluated and the evidence passed on to its members. K MacC the problems with the system one man brady
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Post by rubberwellie on Apr 26, 2011 16:35:01 GMT
Time will tell but if the smolt programme fails then a new approach is clearly needed. Who knows what percentage of smolts will make it back, personally I cant see it having a major impact.
Lessons have to be learnt from other systems, some things dont cost a lot. Personally I'd make the whole system C & R for starters. Put croys in the Leven at certain points to try and dig out deeper channels possibly resulting in more fly only areas. Start the season a month later too, if the first springer never comes off before mid - late march why start mid Feb? Leave the kelts alone. Try and improve the major spawning burns, the haldane burn has been dead for years and the murroch burn has been badly blocked by fallen trees for years, who knows what other burns have fallen into disrepair. Im sure there would be volunteers for these type of tasks during winter months or periods of extended low water.
If this results in a few noses being put out of joint, so be it, lets encourage the next generation to alter their attitudes. Salmon fishing is not about taking your catch home anymore, those days have gone.
A smolt programme has its benefits but should have been the last thing to be done after a comprehensive programme of evaluation and improvement of the system.
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Post by hagar on Apr 26, 2011 23:14:35 GMT
. So the results from the smolt program must be properly evaluated and the evidence passed on to its members. And just how is that going to be accomplished ? I've groped my way through the smoke , gazed quizzicaly into the mirrors , and still can't find a definitive answer as to how a lucky angler is supposed to decide whether his fish is indeed a returnee from the smolt programme. Some clipped , some not. Some partially clipped , some not. Some , some not. The list is bleddy endless. And another thought. Are clipped ( perhaps ) , partially clipped ( or perhaps not ) fish supposed to be chapped ? Or perhaps not !
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Post by underghillie on Apr 26, 2011 23:31:18 GMT
To get a proper evaluation one would think that all the smolts would have to be marked in some way, IE, All fin clipped and micro tagged, doing this will give one the best idea as to what numbers of reared fish are returning, this is not rocket science as its all been done on other rivers
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Post by hagar on Apr 26, 2011 23:34:13 GMT
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Post by underghillie on Apr 26, 2011 23:46:51 GMT
Got to prase yer board for the words('WE WILL NOT SIT IDLY BY AND WATCH OUR FISH STOCKS DECLINE) the only fish i see on the site are dead Its little wonder there are nae fish left, bet its the same feckers that are winging and wondering why they are not catching any fish
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Post by underghillie on Apr 27, 2011 0:02:31 GMT
24,000 smolts with a return rate of maybe 6% on a good year
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Post by rubberwellie on Apr 28, 2011 21:41:49 GMT
Exactly!
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Post by underghillie on Apr 29, 2011 21:52:22 GMT
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